Season 6 - Episode 200

[00:00:08.11] - Gordon Drayson
Hello.

[00:00:08.22] - Taylor Drayson
Hello.

[00:00:09.07] - Gordon Drayson
My name's Gordon from Drayson Design.

[00:00:11.04] - Taylor Drayson
And I'm Taylor from The Creative Tinker.

[00:00:14.22] - Marc P Summers
And I'm Marc P Summers from Automated Marketing Agency.

[00:00:17.21] - Caroline Ainsley
And I'm Caroline Ainsley from Bubbly Maths.

[00:00:20.07] - Gordon Drayson
And welcome to "This Week with Taylor, Gordon, Marc, and Caroline." We've renamed it again from last week. This is the podcast and vidcast where we talk about things that have affected our businesses over the last seven days. And welcome to episode 200.

[00:00:36.05] - Marc P Summers
We need party poppers.

[00:00:37.08] - Gordon Drayson
We need party poppers, yeah. Put them in in post.

[00:00:40.07] - Marc P Summers
Yeah!

[00:00:40.17] - Taylor Drayson
No!

[00:00:42.26] - Gordon Drayson
Oh no, wait. Taylor has to edit this. So we are recording this as opposed to going live as we normally do, because we are on the way to Blackpool, that's myself and Marc, as of tomorrow, and we wanted to do something special for our second centenary, if you like, of our podcast. And that's why we got two guests in.

[00:01:08.19] - Marc P Summers
Special events-fly me in.

[00:01:10.28] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, exactly. Flew him in because Marc lives in America, so he's come all the way over just for... well Blackpool, actually. But we've pretended he's here for the podcast. So, yes, they are here to help us celebrate. And if you were watching last week, you would have heard Marc and myself do our topics. We were limiting ourselves to two topics rather than all four. And then this week, we have Caroline and Taylor who will be doing their topics.

[00:01:42.19] - Gordon Drayson
Just before we start, has anyone got any news as opposed... Well, we've changed the order that we were sitting in, as one of us said we were going to do. So we did.

[00:01:54.11] - Taylor Drayson
Its very weird.

[00:01:54.22] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, I know. It is. It's very odd because I'm on completely the wrong side now, and I've never done an episode over this side, and Taylor's never done an episode that side. It's a bit like when we're sitting in the cinema, Marc.

[00:02:05.02] - Marc P Summers
Right, yes.

[00:02:05.25] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah.

[00:02:06.02] - Marc P Summers
For many years.

[00:02:07.03] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah.

[00:02:07.18] - Taylor Drayson
We do that as well.

[00:02:08.19] - Gordon Drayson
We do, exactly. Just so you all understand what's going on, Marc and I used to go to the cinema every Wednesday evening because he lived in North London at the time and I lived in South London. We met halfway at Lakeside and we did boys shopping at the Apple Store and went for something to eat and then went to the cinema. We never really planned it. We didn't look to see what was on at the cinema. We just went in, bought tickets for something that looked good, found out what time it started, went off and did other things, then came back. But we always, and it got to a point when we didn't even think about it, always, Marc sat on my left, I sat on his right.

[00:02:45.29] - Marc P Summers
Does Taylor sit on your right?

[00:02:47.19] - Gordon Drayson
Taylor sits on my left.

[00:02:49.07] - Marc P Summers
How's that going to work?

[00:02:50.02] - Gordon Drayson
I don't know. We're going to the cinema tonight because it's Wednesday. I don't know how that's going to work. But yes, we've kept that as well. It's just very odd. Anyway, let's get straight into our topic. So, Taylor or Caroline, who would like to go first?

[00:03:06.11] - Taylor Drayson
Caroline can go first.

[00:03:07.19] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, guest star first. Off you go, Caroline.

[00:03:11.14] - Caroline Ainsley
Well, I didn't know what to talk about, and they reminded me, this one, and this...Well, especially this one, that I am climbing Mount Kilimanjaro next year for my 64th birthday. The first time I did it, was for my 50th, and that was quite a trek. It was very hard to do. And what I learnt-

[00:03:34.21] - Gordon Drayson
Can we just stop there for a second and give you a round of applause for that? That is a major, major thing.

[00:03:40.10] - Marc P Summers
This isn't something that many people do in their lifetime, let alone...

[00:03:45.07] - Gordon Drayson
At the age of 50, and then again at 64.

[00:03:48.06] - Marc P Summers
At the old age of 50, then I realised I'm 50 too. Well, 50 too.

[00:03:52.08] - Caroline Ainsley
As well.

[00:03:53.02] - Gordon Drayson
Yes.

[00:03:53.08] - Marc P Summers
As well.

[00:03:55.01] - Gordon Drayson
Congratulations for that anyway. And I can't believe that you're going to go and do it again!

[00:03:59.25] - Caroline Ainsley
Well, I intended to do it. When I came down I was like, "Never again." Every step you take upwards for the last 1,000 metres. You're like, "Why am I doing this? You're just an idiot. Start walking backwards. Don't keep going forwards." But you have to get to the summit, don't you? And I had the most amazing guide called Ibrahim, and he would just put his forehead on mine and just keep saying, What is it? Oh, dear. "Super strong, super... Super strong, super something else." I'll tell you in a minute.

[00:04:39.19] - Gordon Drayson
Age.

[00:04:40.23] - Caroline Ainsley
I don't have a memory, but I can climb Mount Kilimanjaro. So at the time, coming down, I'm like, I'm doing this again for my 60th. Got to keep your goals going. And of course, COVID happened. And so then I'll do it for my 64th. After COVID, so that means I'm doing it in January. My team is not complete. If anyone is interested, please contact Taylor or Gordon. And we're going in January 2026 for my 64th. I will be singing when I'm 64, if I possibly can, at the summit, even if it's only just "when I'm 64" and collapse. It's hard to breathe up there. We're doing a very long... Now, one of the things you learn when you're climbing Mount Kilimanjaro is, it's a term, two words, one word, twice. Polle, Polle. Slow, but surely. Take it slowly. No matter how tired you are or how discouraged you are, if you have the right person, Ibrahim Mashuka, and you've got the right team around you who's also making sure that you're healthy because they have to watch your health when you get high altitudes. There's such a thing as altitude sickness. It's very real. You get there by having all the right support and your own personal perseverance and...

[00:06:10.21] - Marc P Summers
Determination.

[00:06:12.01] - Caroline Ainsley
Yes. So, the skills, the strength that you implement in order to succeed in Climbing Mount Kilimanjaro are the same skills that you implement in succeeding with your own business, which all four all of us have our own business. I am, I was going to say the least successful, financially, I suppose, but I where, my skills in life, where I'm really successful in life, is the people that I surround myself with. These three are prime examples of the magnificent souls that surround me in my world.

[00:06:55.25] - Taylor Drayson
You have a PhD, is it? Or degree?

[00:06:59.11] - Caroline Ainsley
I'm an electronic engineer by profession.

[00:07:03.08] - Marc P Summers
I'm not really that successful. I plan Kilimanjaro. I have a degree. I've done all this.

[00:07:12.04] - Gordon Drayson
Business owner.

[00:07:14.14] - Caroline Ainsley
200th episode, and it's also my 20th anniversary of Bubbly Maths. So performing, making maths fun for kids of all ages.

[00:07:24.13] - Marc P Summers
Small businesses, if they don't succeed, will die in the first year, two years, three years, and yours is 20 years old. I'm not really that successful, but you know.

[00:07:37.15] - Caroline Ainsley
So, following on from that, thank you. Yes, I'm pruning myself. I'm pruning, whatever I'm doing.

[00:07:45.14] - Gordon Drayson
Preening.

[00:07:45.17] - Caroline Ainsley
Preening.

[00:07:46.04] - Gordon Drayson
If you're pruning yourself, that's really bad news.

[00:07:51.11] - Caroline Ainsley
Preening. Thank you. That reminds me.

[00:07:55.27] - Gordon Drayson
You haven't taken your jacket off yet. Are you not staying?

[00:07:58.03] - Caroline Ainsley
Yes, I am staying, but we're going out in a minute.

[00:08:00.02] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, yeah, okay sorry.

[00:08:01.17] - Caroline Ainsley
We were at Disney World. I was there with Marc and his wonderful son, who is my adopted grandson, Leo, who's my, he's my wonderful, wonderful Leo. And we were there and I was telling him. We were talking about climbing Mount Kilimanjaro. And he jokes with me, it's his father's fault, that I'm old. And I'm like, "How old is old? I'm climbing Mount Kilimanjaro next year." And Leo asked me, "Well, who's the oldest person to have climbed Mount Kilimanjaro?" And of course, get phones out, Google it. And we...

[00:08:44.26] - Marc P Summers
Ask AI.

[00:08:44.26] - Caroline Ainsley
Yeah. Multiple sources gave the name Anne Lorimont, who climbed when she was 89. Now, she climbed when she was 87, and then she realised there was a man that had climbed when he was 88. So she wanted to be the oldest person.

[00:09:06.26] - Gordon Drayson
She gamified it.

[00:09:09.03] - Caroline Ainsley
Yeah. She had the record then for being the oldest woman to climb Mount Kilimanjaro. She decided she wanted to be the oldest person to climb Mount Kilimanjaro. Now, that got me thinking because Leo was like, "Well, why don't you do it?" I'm like, "Don't be ridiculous!" Because I was thinking, "Well, I'll have climbed it when I'm 64, and then I'll just start deteriorating and not necessarily..." My mindset was climb Mount Kilimanjaro when I was 64 and then-

[00:09:41.16] - Marc P Summers
Tick it off and move on.

[00:09:42.15] - Caroline Ainsley
And then, yeah, and let it go or let myself go. Well, that was going to be the consequence. So they kept talking about it and I sent a message to Ibrahim, my guide, and he's like, "Well, we could do it. You'd have to climb every couple of years, but I'm all for it." He's like, "That means I get to see you every couple of years." And I'm like, "Okay, climb Mount Kilimanjaro every two years or so for the next 30 years? Well, nearly. That sounds like too much." And then I thought, "this is the business mentality. This is the success mentality. Well, am I aiming to deteriorate or am I aiming to..."

[00:10:29.25] - Gordon Drayson
You're trying to think of a word with the ate on the end, aren't you?

[00:10:36.01] - Caroline Ainsley
Oh, I'd like a word with ate on the end

[00:10:37.02] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, I can't think of one.

[00:10:37.17] - Caroline Ainsley
But I was thinking of being fit and healthy and having ate well.

[00:10:43.09] - Gordon Drayson
Close, yeah, good.

[00:10:45.28] - Caroline Ainsley
At the age of 90, because my dad is celebrating his 90th birthday, flying from South Africa to Portugal to have a family reunion. So he's flying over at age 89, having his birthday. Us all together because we're all over the world. And then he's going to fly back again at the age of 90. And I thought, "Dad, when I grow up, I want to be like you." And I thought, Well... And then I thought, "Well, now I don't want to be flying when I'm 90." And I was having all these negative thoughts. And then when Leo kept asking me about this, and I kept telling them, they kept asking me, and "I'll consider it. I'm thinking about it." And then we're in this queue, I don't know which ride.

[00:11:29.27] - Marc P Summers
It was that water ride.

[00:11:30.23] - Caroline Ainsley
The one that you really liked. Oh, the one we all got completely wet.

[00:11:35.09] - Marc P Summers
We all got completely wet.

[00:11:36.18] - Caroline Ainsley
Completely soaked. Whatever ride it is, there's one ride and we got soaked head to toe. Anyway. And it was winter. So I said to them... Yeah, it was winter. It was cold. I said to them, "Right, I've decided I'm going to do it." And the two of these, the tall one and the short one, looked at me and said, "We knew that." Okay, so apparently I have a reputation to uphold, but that's-

[00:12:06.16] - Marc P Summers
The thing is when you do it at 19, we'll be able to congratulate.

[00:12:11.05] - Caroline Ainsley
Yes, you will be able to congratulate. And here comes Marty.

[00:12:17.00] - Gordon Drayson
Marty, who very rarely comes and joins our podcast.

[00:12:20.07] - Marc P Summers
Do you have a subject?

[00:12:22.17] - Gordon Drayson
No, but if it's to do with sleeping, he'll do it. Marty? So that's really good then. That's your aim.

[00:12:33.03] - Caroline Ainsley
The thing is that's my aim. Then I will use it for fundraising. I've decided to fundraise for Alzheimer's, for Alzheimer's Research, of course. Alzheimer's Federation, I think it's called. And I will be using it to promote mathematics. We'll be going to create a resource. Well, next year, when I'm 64, we will create a mathematical resource, which I started creating last time but didn't finish. So I will make that happen so that there's a mathematical resource around Kilimanjaro and climbing in general. And I also use it to promote Bubbly Maths, to promote other things, to promote health.

[00:13:17.05] - Marc P Summers
The current record holder was 68, right?

[00:13:22.03] - Caroline Ainsley
89.

[00:13:23.11] - Marc P Summers
Sorry, 89. And so you need to do it when you're 90.

[00:13:25.28] - Caroline Ainsley
You turned it around, you rotated it.

[00:13:27.26] - Marc P Summers
I did. And your now 64, will be 64 when you next do it, which means you're going to do it every two years. How many episodes of this podcast are there in a year? Because this is 200th episode where she announced and committed to this.

[00:13:49.14] - Gordon Drayson
It's a maximum of 52.

[00:13:51.21] - Marc P Summers
But you don't always do 52.

[00:13:53.28] - Gordon Drayson
We don't always do 52.

[00:13:55.11] - Marc P Summers
What I want to work out is what episode will we be covering?

[00:14:00.10] - Gordon Drayson
Do they have internet at the top of-

[00:14:02.11] - Marc P Summers
No.

[00:14:02.27] - Caroline Ainsley
No, wait, don't say no. I don't think there's a spot at the very summit, although they could be by then.

[00:14:12.20] - Gordon Drayson
Satellite maybe. I don't know.

[00:14:13.16] - Caroline Ainsley
No, no, no. There are hotspots on the mountain where-

[00:14:18.00] - Gordon Drayson
Must be annoying to have to reset the router.

[00:14:19.11] - Caroline Ainsley
When you're climbing the mountain, you'll see a guide or two sitting on a rock, maybe-

[00:14:27.25] - Gordon Drayson
With an aerial? Satelite or something.

[00:14:28.27] - Caroline Ainsley
No, no. No, there's like a spot where-

[00:14:33.23] - Marc P Summers
A bit like the old Mr Bean episode where he had to stand in a funny position to get the TV screen.

[00:14:40.07] - Gordon Drayson
Or there's an RJ45 socket in the-

[00:14:42.20] - Marc P Summers
In the side of the rock.

[00:14:43.20] - Caroline Ainsley
That's very feasible.

[00:14:46.25] - Marc P Summers
Like the aeroplane seats that had a fax jack. It's like, "Oh, because I need to send a fax at 30,000 feet."

[00:14:52.23] - Caroline Ainsley
But there are spots where there is line of sight or whatever. There is coverage.

[00:15:00.13] - Marc P Summers
Were you thinking about doing the episode from there?

[00:15:03.06] - Gordon Drayson
Well, yeah. Getting a message from.

[00:15:05.17] - Marc P Summers
Getting the live feed.

[00:15:06.07] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah.

[00:15:06.07] - Caroline Ainsley
It is possible.

[00:15:09.01] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, there we go. Something to look forward to in the future.

[00:15:11.29] - Caroline Ainsley
But we've got to be set for in the summit, but certainly on the way up and on the way down again.

[00:15:15.09] - Gordon Drayson
That's amazing. I think what we're trying to say is, even if you don't think-

[00:15:21.03] - Caroline Ainsley
We are not going to succeed in explaining it.

[00:15:21.25] - Gordon Drayson
No, no, no. Okay. What we are... Don't ask. Actually, ask in the comments, I'll get Marc to reply.

[00:15:31.05] - Marc P Summers
Okay.

[00:15:31.27] - Gordon Drayson
What we are saying is if you think you maybe can't do something...

[00:15:37.17] - Marc P Summers
Then you're going to be right.

[00:15:38.11] - Gordon Drayson
When other people around you know you can, listen to them.

[00:15:42.10] - Caroline Ainsley
Well, listen to them.

[00:15:43.10] - Marc P Summers
If you think you can or you think you can't, you're going to be right. So take the support from others and listen to them rather than your own inner voice that's saying you can't do it, because if you believe it, then you can do it.

[00:15:58.13] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah.

[00:15:58.16] - Caroline Ainsley
And aim to be healthy and fit instead of giving up when you get older.

[00:16:07.10] - Gordon Drayson
That's a really good thing to do, because as soon as you give up, your body latches onto that and it goes, "right, if that's what you want to do, that's what we'll do." And your body will deteriorate, your mind will deteriorate. But if you keep yourself active and you keep positive thinking that you can do anything... You may not be able to do everything, but if you think you can do everything, your body will continue doing that. It's a bit like if you find you're working really, really hard and then you stop working for whatever reason, you get to the end of your project or whatever, your body suddenly goes, "Right, he stopped. Attack him!" And you get a cold or you get an illness of some sort because your body realises you've stopped, you've slowed down. That's really interesting. Well done. Can we wish you all the best for January next year? We want to hear all about it.

[00:16:59.15] - Caroline Ainsley
And it is now, it will be March '25. So you've got till January. No, not January. You've got till November '25 to sign up if you want to come up with me next year for my 64th. But if not that year, another year, because I'll be going up again and again and again.

[00:17:19.12] - Gordon Drayson
So give me details so we can put it in the show notes.

[00:17:21.15] - Caroline Ainsley
I will do that.

[00:17:22.09] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, there you go. You two could be up Mount Kilimanjaro head to head with Ibrahim. Is that what it-

[00:17:29.15] - Caroline Ainsley
Ibrahim Mashuka.

[00:17:29.24] - Gordon Drayson
Ibrahim. There you go. You can be head-to-head with him.

[00:17:33.03] - Caroline Ainsley
Super strong, super positive. Super positive, super strong! That's it.

[00:17:37.27] - Gordon Drayson
And a really optimised language because it's only one word and it means four.

[00:17:41.07] - Marc P Summers
It means so much. Yeah.

[00:17:42.15] - Gordon Drayson
It's amazing. Anyone else got anything to say on that subject?

[00:17:47.07] - Marc P Summers
No, I'm proud of you.

[00:17:49.13] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah.

[00:17:50.02] - Caroline Ainsley
And I love you.

[00:17:51.09] - Marc P Summers
Good.

[00:17:52.08] - Gordon Drayson
Aww. Let's get on to Taylor's topic. What are you going to talk about today, Taylor?

[00:17:57.04] - Taylor Drayson
I want to talk about knowledge. I had a conversation with someone this week, and it was from a guy who runs a, what I would say, a very successful agency, a WordPress agency. He has two teams in other countries and has a team in the UK and does pretty big projects in terms of the budget, but also does everything in terms of design, SEO, development, social media, and things that. And it was interesting because although from my perspective, I would say he's doing better and he knows more than me, he actually reached out to me to ask for information and for some advice and suggestions. And it got me thinking that even though someone may be older, someone maybe had more years in the space, doesn't always mean they know everything. Another example between you and I, dad, where although you've probably been doing websites for longer than I have, because I do that now primarily, and that's the only thing I do, I probably have more knowledge of that subject, and so you come to me for advice now.

[00:19:12.09] - Gordon Drayson
Oh, yeah.

[00:19:12.17] - Taylor Drayson
But I think that-

[00:19:13.23] - Gordon Drayson
Some of the knowledge I've learned isn't relevant anymore because when we were coding in Perl back in the day, there is no such thing anymore. So all that knowledge is-

[00:19:25.25] - Marc P Summers
Knit one, pearl one.

[00:19:26.07] - Gordon Drayson
Exactly. Perl is a scripting language, basically that used to be used everywhere on the internet. And then PHP came along, yeah.

[00:19:34.19] - Gordon Drayson
I think it can apply to lots of other places, things like teachers and students, because the students will know more about computers, for example, because they've grown up and technology and things have grown up, so they know more about that. So just putting a bit into perspective, the difference is that the way you grow up, the things you do, and it's not a matter of how long you've been doing it or how old you are that defines how much knowledge or whether or not someone knows more than someone else.

[00:20:07.19] - Marc P Summers
No. And it's a valid thing that you don't want to let that mindset control you, because if you let the mindset that you're early 20s, and so therefore I can't be here, then again, it will control you. Whereas if you allow your level of knowledge to control your position, then all you are is ever hungry for more knowledge.

[00:20:30.15] - Taylor Drayson
Yeah.

[00:20:30.25] - Marc P Summers
That's where you want to be.

[00:20:32.17] - Taylor Drayson
I have a lot of friends around the world, and I have people that are definitely more experienced and older than me and have, again, very successful businesses. I'm always interested in asking questions about "what did you do in this situation" or "how did you deal with this" or "have you had this?" I'm always asking my friends questions and wanting to know more.

[00:20:57.02] - Gordon Drayson
And every person's different experiences will lead them to a particular situation that will be dealt with in a different way. So the way that you deal with something may be right for you and may not be right for someone else just because they're a different person. They run a different way. So it's always good to talk these sorts of things through with other people. But it's important, I feel, to talk to people that you trust. So if you... Something I heard a long time ago is if you wouldn't listen to someone's criticism and act on that from that particular person, you should also not listen to their advice either. Because if you're not willing to accept what they're telling you is wrong, why would you accept what they're telling you you should do? And I always thought that was a really important point. There are people in my life that I will listen to. And if they criticise me, I'll take it really personally, but I will listen to it and I will think it through and try and figure out why they think that and how I can make changes. And there are other people who will say something to me that's a criticism, and I'll just ignore it because....

[00:22:16.13] - Marc P Summers
Let it flow over.

[00:22:16.29] - Gordon Drayson
It makes no difference to me because I don't want to listen to what they have to say about it.

[00:22:23.17] - Caroline Ainsley
Going back to the difference with, let's say, the young, not necessarily the young, but yourself and my 13-year-old niece, I've noticed, have an incredible ability to... If you don't know how to do something, because Taylor does my website, Gordon used to. Actually, Marc started, then Gordon, and now it's Taylor. But Taylor has actually been a web designer for many years now. I work with Taylor and I work with my niece who helps me because I look at a screen with instructions and I just go, "it's got words on it. That's nice. Not sure what they mean." And I want to understand it, but I struggle. My skill is I'm on stage or doing a workshop and I need to do a variation because the kids aren't responding to it. I can jump in and just do something else. So I've got that ability. But when it comes to websites, Taylor can look at instructions on the screen and just go, "oh, yeah. Now, all we need to do is this." And my 13-year-old niece does the same thing. And so that, in terms of the youth and what you've been used to and the way you assimilate information-

[00:23:38.01] - Marc P Summers
Problem solving solutions.

[00:23:39.18] - Caroline Ainsley
But also the way you assimilate it from a screen.

[00:23:43.25] - Gordon Drayson
But again, it's back down to our experience again, isn't it? The experience that he's had has led him to where he is, so he can deal with that. For yourself, for example-

[00:23:53.26] - Caroline Ainsley
The youth actually counts towards that.

[00:23:55.02] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, and for you, you didn't have computers at school.

[00:24:00.15] - Caroline Ainsley
He's going to ask about the dinosaurs now, isn't it?

[00:24:02.12] - Marc P Summers
You had the Encyclopaedia Britanica.

[00:24:04.15] - Caroline Ainsley
I did have the Encyclopaedia Britanica.

[00:24:07.04] - Gordon Drayson
As I was saying that in my head, I was going, did I have-

[00:24:09.21] - Marc P Summers
I need to fix this widget on my website. Would that be under W? Wallabies, no. There's nothing in here about widgets.

[00:24:19.04] - Caroline Ainsley
The Encyclopaedia Britannica.

[00:24:21.01] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, and that was your Wikipedia.

[00:24:22.20] - Marc P Summers
We had A to H, and then my mum ran out of money and couldn't afford the rest. I don't know anything about Igloos or anything.

[00:24:31.29] - Caroline Ainsley
Well, it's the school library, but yeah, it's a completely different... The first year, when I did my maths O-level, that was the very first year we were allowed to use a calculator. And the calculator was add, subtract, divide, multiply, equals, that's your lot.

[00:24:51.25] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, and I was the second year to ever do GCSE, which is what took over O-level.

[00:24:58.06] - Marc P Summers
My brother was the first year.

[00:24:58.29] - Gordon Drayson
Yeah, a year older me. Yeah. And then it's the way that things have changed and the way that teaching has changed as well as you're growing up. Computers and being literate about, and also aware of what's going on on the internet is something that's really important for children these days, teenagers in particular, especially with social media. And that's being taught. And social media was talking to your neighbours or reading the newspaper when we were-

[00:25:32.11] - Caroline Ainsley
I think it was called gossip.

[00:25:34.02] - Gordon Drayson
Also valid.

[00:25:36.22] - Gordon Drayson
Our old neighbour had one of those. He had a huge aerial coming out the back of his shed in the back garden. I always thought that was great. CB radio.

[00:25:49.04] - Caroline Ainsley
Was that CB that he did? It wasn't the other... There's another one, can't remember what it's called.

[00:25:55.11] - Marc P Summers
Ham.

[00:25:56.03] - Marc P Summers
Ham.

[00:25:56.16] - Gordon Drayson
Ham radio. I don't know the difference.

[00:25:59.02] - Caroline Ainsley
Because Ham radio, CB radio has got a limited range. Where as ham? You can actually reach-

[00:26:06.11] - Marc P Summers
Ham goes farther.

[00:26:07.29] - Caroline Ainsley
And it's a different frequency.

[00:26:10.09] - Gordon Drayson
I don't know, but I know that he was into this. Ty, do you remember Ty? That's really interesting, Taylor. So know your worth even with people who have been doing it longer than you. And in fact, there's an awful lot of companies that are new to the game who to actually overtake the existing companies that have been doing it forever. A good example we spoke about last week was Deep Seek. Deep Seek is brand new, just on new on the... It's like three or four weeks old, not even that. And then ChatGPT has been going two years, something like that. And Deep Seek, apparently, is better than ChatGPT. And they're brand new to the scene.

[00:26:56.18] - Caroline Ainsley
And they use a lot lower budget and a lot smaller team. I mean, a small team.

[00:27:02.12] - Gordon Drayson
So maybe that's an advantage.

[00:27:05.23] - Caroline Ainsley
They've used AI to create Deep Seek. They've used ChatGPT to create Deep Seek.

[00:27:08.00] - Gordon Drayson
I don't think they have. This hasn't been fact-checked.

[00:27:10.25] - Marc P Summers
That wasn't slander.

[00:27:12.15] - Gordon Drayson
I'd just like to say This Week With does not condone and…

[00:27:18.26] - Marc P Summers
Caroline's opinions.

[00:27:19.28] - Gordon Drayson
All opinions that are… They are of their own person.

[00:27:24.07] - Marc P Summers
She's just Minnie Mouse. She's not using Disney's copyright.

[00:27:28.09] - Caroline Ainsley
That was my idea of a joke. As Marc points out, a joke must have…

[00:27:34.17] - Marc P Summers
An undertone of humour.

[00:27:35.20] - Caroline Ainsley
Right.

[00:27:36.12] - Gordon Drayson
She doesn't remember this. That's the problem.

[00:27:38.21] - Marc P Summers
Yeah, and that's the issue.

[00:27:41.07] - Gordon Drayson
Right, we need to wrap up. Does anyone have anything else they wish to say.

[00:27:46.02] - Marc P Summers
Thank you for flying me out here.

[00:27:48.25] - Gordon Drayson
My pleasure.

[00:27:49.29] - Marc P Summers
And having me on the podcast. If you want me here for the 201st, then I'll fly back anytime you need.

[00:27:56.11] - Gordon Drayson
Okay, perfect. There we go. So, yes, so thank you very much to Marc Summers and to Caroline Ainsley for coming and joining us on this, our 200th episode. I still can't believe that we managed to get to 200. When we started this in lockdown, I thought we'd been doing it for as long as lockdown, which was going to be like three weeks or something, which everyone thought it was going to be at the time. And here we are. And we're on season five already. And it's something that we do because we enjoy doing it and it documents what we are working on. And it's nice for us to be able to go back and look at what ideas and thoughts we had at particular points during our businesses because they do change. And, yeah, it's sometimes you listen to them and go, "what was I thinking when I said that?" And that's all part of the experience getting to where we are now. So thank you so much for joining us. As always, please like, share, and subscribe. We're on YouTube. And please leave any comments below the YouTube videos if you have any.

[00:29:05.22] - Taylor Drayson
You can also go to our website thisweekwith.co.uk to find all of our past episodes.

[00:29:10.14] - Gordon Drayson
And we're on all the major podcast platforms, so please search for "This Week With Taylor and Gordon" and listen to us in your car, while you're working out, wherever you like. With all things coming together as they should be, we'll be back with you next week, and we'll be back to our live shows, which is 1pm on Friday. Until then, my name is Gordon, and I'm from Drayson Design.

[00:29:36.19] - Taylor Drayson
And I'm Taylor from The Creative Tinker.

[00:29:38.29] - Marc P Summers
And I'm Marc P. Summers from the Automated Marketing Agency.

[00:29:41.26] - Caroline Ainsley
And I'm Caroline Ainsley from Bubbly Maths.

[00:29:44.16] - Gordon Drayson
Two of us will see you next week. Thank you for joining us. Bye-bye.

[00:29:48.27] - Caroline Ainsley
Thank you. Bye-bye.

[00:29:49.09] - Taylor Drayson
Bye.